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166 – Spit! May, 23, 2017


Welcome to Spit! with Scott Bass and David Lee Scales. It’s the exact same podcast you know and love (call it Down The Line, call it Surf News) where Bass and Scales spitball big ideas, spit vitriol, and discuss dudes getting spit out of waves. Spit! In today’s episode David sings the praises of the Baja roadtrip, Scott recaps the grom abuse story that created an Internet firestorm, they ponder what if the Fiji Pro is won by the event’s own sponsor (Kelly Slater/Outerknown), review Taylor Steele’s “Proximity”, Dukes and Kooks, and much more! Dang, it’s good to be back. Enjoy Spit!


David stayed in an AirBnB right at K38, dined in sophisticated restaurants and even toured their largely undiscovered wine region, Valle de Guadelupe. Despite the past decade’s instability and unsafe travel, David felt very safe and plans to return regularly.

Highlights of the trip include:

Read about craft brewing in Baja here: Outside Magazine Article

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And don’t miss the Guadelupe Valley. Phenomenal food and wine.

Read an LA Times article here



If Kelly Slater wins The Outerknown Fiji Pro, will that undermine the exact credibility that WSL is striving so hard to establish?

Kelly Slater OK Pro

Filipe is out. Can we finally #GetClayInFiji ?

Yago Dora gets the wildcard

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Click to find a local screening of “Proximity”.

Game changing surf films . . .

Endless Summer


Let’s Be Frank!


The link to the OC Register article detailing the story.

Salt Creek

And here’s the post that started it all:

Ryan Divel's FB post


Dick Catri, R.I.P.


From, “East Coast surfing pioneer Dick Catri passed away at his home in Melbourne, FL, on Monday morning due to complications from a recent series of strokes. Sometimes referred to as the Godfather of East Coast surfing, Catri played a major role in steering the sport’s burgeoning popularity on the right coast during the 1960s and continued to shape its development over the course of the next half-century.”

I’m sure I’ve posted this pic before but yesterday my first surf coach, #DickCatri, passed away. Dick was a real character and taught me a ton as a young kid starting to compete. When I was 10 years old, myself and my brother (@sslatersurftackle), #ToddHolland, #SeanOhare (@shadowohare), #TroyPropper, and #RandySanders joined Shagg’s Surf Shop Team and did weekend surf training with Dick. We were to be the young challenge to the surf shop up the street, Spectrum, that sponsored a bunch of good surfers in the area. I remember him teaching us to keep our eyes open in the tube and to not always having to take off on the peak but maybe fade to where you wanted to be on the wave. He planted a lot of seeds about how to look at waves in our own unique ways. So many of the ideas still stick with me today. Those were fun times as a kid surfing high tide shorebreak at the Boardwalk in Indialantic. A few years ago I also learned that Dick named the Hawaiian surf spot Gums after a friend of his who lost all his teeth in a wipeout at the spot in the 70’s. Dick always told me, ‘Do as I say, not as I do’, which was explained to me when I got a bit older…there may have been a few skeletons in his closet. I remember him and my dad judging bikini contests at Canaveral Pier during the #NKF contests. Strange getting older and losing so many people I’ve known. Makes me appreciate the now. Thank you, Dick, for many fond memories from my childhood and for putting the first ‘TEAM’ sticker on my board. #RIPCoach ??????

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“Catri’s list of accomplishments is full of novel accolades. He was the first East Coaster to ride the Pipeline and Waimea. He appeared in Bruce Brown films. He opened one of the first surf shops in Florida and cultivated a team of East Coasters for Hobie Surfboards that could rival any Californian contingent of the day. He set the industry standard for surfboard shapers and helped kickstart the contest circuit on the east coast. In his later years, he mentored Cocoa Beach’s Sean and Kelly Slater, young up-and-comers at the time.”


David and Scott for their deplorable FantasySurfer rankings. As hosts of this clubhouse, we are ashamed!!

Play along on Go to the Clubhouse and search “Spit!”

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165 – Caught Inside with Chris Cote: May 17, 2017


Welcome to a new show format! Caught Inside will keep you on the inside of surf industry gossip with a rotating panel of guest co-hosts. (Settle down! Bassy will be back next week with our usual show). Today’s show is co-hosted by Chris Cote. Scales and Cote recap the Oi Rio Pro and review Kelly Slater’s film “Continuance”. We hope that you enjoy the show. Please leave feedback, thoughts and suggestions in the comments section on or on Instagram. Thanks!


Chris Cote is the host of Monday M.A.S.S. New episodes every Monday. Click here to listen!

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Congrats to Tyler Wright and Adriano de Souza

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Who is Yago Dora?

He’s the kid who beat JJF, Gabe, and Mick in the event. Read his interview with the WSL here.

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Filipe Toledo Gets An Interference, Storms The Judges Tower, then Gets Suspended from Fiji

Full stories on



The women start on May 28th and the men start on June 4th.


David & Chris’s Event Pick: Owen Wright

David’s Dark Horse: Josh Kerr. He’s having a brutally tough year, but remember this? The dude can tuberide and he has tons of experience at Cloudbreak.

Chris’s Dark Horse: Conner Coffin


David & Chris’s Event Pick: Sally Fitzgibbons

Chris’s Event Pick:

David’s Dark Horse: Laura Enever

Chris’s Dark Horse: Tatiana Weston Webb


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Kelly Slater’s “Continuance” is a documentary series directed and produced by Alek Parker (not to be confused with former East Coast pro surfer Alex Parker) and sponsored by Kelly’s entire portfolio of brands, credited are Outerknown, Firewire, and Kelly Slater Wave Co. Part 1 is a 15 minute video piece and it was released 2 weeks ago. The release for part 2 hasn’t yet be announced. The piece opens with Kelly stating, quote, “sometimes you need to clarify and define something to state your intentions . . . I want to win a world title this year. I’m going to give it everything I got. There’s been a lot of talk about me retiring . . . I don’t have to give an answer to that.” End quote.

The film is centered around the Quiksilver Pro Gold Coast event and showcases Kelly’s progress through the event, his downtime with girlfriend Kalani Miller going to the zoo, him in the shaping bay with Tomo, him darting off on a quick strike mission prior to the event. It’s punctuated with a series of confessional-style interviews with Kelly discussing intentions, struggles, and really it’s heartwarmingly candid.

I get the feeling immediately, and because of Kelly’s opening quote, that Kelly is using this documentary series to guide the narrative of what he is doing in life and with his career. Speculation about retirement, his frayed focus, his lack of commitment for a 12th world title, have run rife. And even when he comments publicly about those things, the media often spins his brief commentary into an opinion piece whose overall sentiment often is very different than Kelly’s intended sentiment. I am as guilty of that as anyone. In fact, this film review may be just that, me attempting to read between the lines and analyze what Kelly is NOT saying, or perhaps even worse, I might be trying to psychoanalyze what Kelly’s words and actions secretly reveal about his intention without him even knowing it!! And that’s why we watch. That’s why we follow and read his every post.

So, again, it seems that with this series, Kelly is trying to wrench that conversation back into his control. It seems that, while he cannot control the commentary, he can be honest, he can wear his heart on his sleeve, and at the very least control he can control his own content. That is my impression from the first 20 seconds of the piece.

There’s a sentimentality to the piece that so charming. Kelly talking about the importance of his friendships with Luke Munro’s family and how they comforted him after he lost his father. Kelly’s thoughtful sensitivity and his intelligence has always made him more likable than other sports demigods that we revere. “Continuance” indulges us in that side of Kelly. After my 15 minutes spent watching, I feel like I know Kelly better, like I know him personally.

In one scene, in the shaping bay with Tomo, he’s expressing frustrations about people criticizing his board selection at Snapper. He’s like, “Everyone’s an f-ing critic now days. Nobody points out the positive aspects about the board. They just want to criticize.” His sensitivity about other people’s criticisms are surprising to me and they are very humanizing. I’d assume that Kelly would just tune out the critics, especially in the modern world with Internet trolls, but it actually made me like him more. The fact that he’s emotional about people’s criticism shows a certain openness. It shows an introspection.

So while I loved all of that, and getting a deeper glimpse of our hero, I was a little saddened that the whole film feels reflective. He’s talking about why the Gold Coast has been important to him over the years. It feels like a swan song, a farewell piece, something to document his final year on tour. While John John’s 2016 series “Twelve” featured John talking about the future and what’s to come, in “Continuance” whenever Kelly is talking about contests, he talking about past wins and looking at old trophies. The moments where he’s discussing the future are about his wave pool, his board designs, not competition. This is perhaps unintentional on Kelly’s behalf, but it’s noticed by the viewer.

Unequivocally, the most passion that Kelly expresses through the entire film is when he’s looking at forecasts and tracking swells around the globe. He even states that he abandoned his “boot camp” training regiment prior to Snapper to go surf overhead barrels. Todd Glaser, Kelly’s photographer and someone you know from this show, suggests that that’s a good thing, “While everyone else is riding small boards and prepping for contests, Kelly is getting shacked in overhead barrels. That’s what keeps him inspired and motivated.” Todd certainly knows better than I do about what motivates Kelly, but I’d have to wonder if that trip motivated Kelly to surf Snapper, or if it’s just reflective of where Kelly wants to spend his time.

The surfing alone makes “Continuance” worth watching. The one barrel they show at his strike mission prior to the Quiksilver Pro is below sea level, he pumps and weaves through the entire thing, multiple sections and it’s just absolutely insane. The contest footage from Snapper we all watched live, but these angles and slow motion really highlight Kelly’s body mechanics, his response time to ways that the wave is behaving, and how his board is engaging with him and the water’s surface as he rebounds off the whitewash after a cutty. It captivating actually. And it’s kind of a testament to the limitations of judging surfing, as every wave surfed from this edit, appeared to be a 10. Flawless surfing by Kelly.

Now again, I can’t help but psychoanalyze Kelly’s headspace with this piece and as a lifelong Kelly fan and someone who wants to see him trounce JJF at Pipe, Filipe at Snapper, Mick at J-Bay, there are some painfully disheartening clues in this piece that point towards a 2017 exit from the World Tour. Clues that only further serve to hammer home sentiments I’ve shared on this show about Kelly lacking the focus required to win his 12th world title.

The most obvious clue is that “Continuance” feels like a knockoff of John John’s series 12 that he published last year. JJF’s was a 7 part series that ending up documenting his campaign to win his 1st world title. It was heavily centered around his contest performances, it showed him spending downtime with his family. It showed him in the shaping bay with Pyzel. It showed him darting off on strike missions between events. And it was punctuated by confessional style interviews.

Kelly’s “Continuance” appears to have taken the exact same concept “Let’s document an attempt at a title campaign”. It’s taken nearly the exact same structure of JJF’s “Twelve” vacillating between the progress of the event, his down day exploring and his voice over about his headspace. And it even follows a similar shot list to JJF’s film. That isn’t a criticism. I loved “Twelve” and I like “Continuance” a lot, but it does illustrate Kelly following JJF’s lead, which to me, speaks VOLUMES.

In surfing, in board design, in marketing one’s self, and especially with his wave pool and Outerknown, Kelly has always innovated! We’ve never seen Kelly follow anyone else’s lead. And I feel like in the past, even if Kelly wanted to do a video series documenting his world title campaign, if Mick had done it the year before, or even worse, if Andy had done it the year before, Kelly would have immediately scrapped the idea! He’d abandon it to spite Andy! And what’s even worse is that 10 months after JJF launched “Twelve”, he delivered on his promise and won the world title! Kelly opened “Continuance” by stating his intention to win the world title in 2017. Where does that leave the series if he doesn’t win?

This following of John John’s footsteps feels as though Kelly’s already acquiesced his throne to John John. It’s apparent that he doesn’t view JJF as an adversary, as Kelly did with Andy. It seems as though he’s okay following JJF’s lead and that he views John John as a worthy successor to the throne of “best surfer in the world”. And I like that. If Kelly feels that way, I agree with him. John John is the complete surfer and he has the “IT” factor. John John would make him a great representative of our sport, in the tradition of Duke, Shaun Tomson, Steph Gilmore, and Kelly.

But in order for Kelly to win his 12th world title, he needs a fiery drive and determination and he needs to view JJF as an adversary. He needs to want to demolish JJF.

And just as a post-script, the irony of ironies, John John’s series was named “Twelve” because that’s his jersey number. Hurley had t-shirts printed with the number “12” on them and everyone wore them while they celebrated John John’s 1st world title in a champagne bath, Kelly among them, the very man who was and is striving for number 12 himself.

The film’s final frame is a slide with text that reads, “Coming out of Australia, Kelly is in a challenging position. But that is what Continuance is all about: the perseverance and commitment between where we are and where we want to be . . .” End quote.

So . . . is “Continuance” a documentary of Kelly’s 12th world title season or is it a documentary of Kelly’s final season on tour. Is it both? Time will tell.

And David’s all-time favorite Chris Cote moment

164 – David Scales x Kyle Thiermann


In today’s experimental show format, David interviews Kyle for the first hour, then Kyle interviews David for an hour. Kyle’s a former Surf Splendor guest, host of The Kyle Thiermann Show, big wave surfer, and Patagonia ambassador. The guys chat about the Big Wave Awards, the state of women’s big wave surfing, doing ayahuasca in the Costa Rican jungle, the power of intention, and David’s professional background. It’s practically a therapy session! Dig deep and enjoy!


Photo: Jason Khzouz @jkhzouz5000

Kyle’s podcast is available here:

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Make sure to listen to his episode with Shawn Dollar

Beverages in today’s show were provided by Libertine Brewing Co. Here’s what David & Kyle drank.

The Aubree Saison

Stocking Stuffer




And the winners are . . .

Ride of the Year – Billy Kemper

Paddle Award – Ben Andrews

Biggest Wave – Francisco Porcella

Overall Best Womens Performace – Paige Alm

Overall Best Men’s Performance – Jamie Mitchell

Tuberide – Shanan Worrall by Jamie Scott

Shanan Worrall
Wipeout – Wilhem Banks


Kyle’s episode with Dr. Jeff McNairy



162 – Todd Glaser: Proximity


In today’s episode surf photographer Todd Glaser discusses his new project Proximity. Todd gives us a behind-the-scenes look at the 3 year production process, stories from the road with Kelly, John John, Dorian, Albee, Stephanie and Dave Rastovich. Then Todd recalls details from his most secret mission, documenting and releasing Kelly Slater’s wave pool in December of 2015. Enjoy the show!

Visit Todd Glaser’s website at
Follow Todd on Instagram here @ToddGlaser

Proximity Film

Purchase the coffee table book: CLICK HERE

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That’s Todd swimming behind Kelly after he stomped his 540.

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Here’s a small collection of Todd’s work.

Todd's first major cover. Greg Long, Surfer Magazine, June 2009

Todd’s first major cover. Greg Long, Surfer Magazine, June 2009

Todd Glaser Greg Long Surfer Poll Winner

Nathan Fletcher, Teahupo'o, Code Red Swell, 2013

Nathan Fletcher, Teahupo’o, Code Red Swell, 2013

Craig Anderson, Teahupo'o, 2013

Craig Anderson, Teahupo’o, 2013

Quiksilver's KS10 Campaign

Quiksilver’s KS10 Campaign

This image was used in Quiksilver's KS10 Campaign

This image was used in Quiksilver’s KS10 Campaign

See more of Todd’s work at

161 – Surf News, April 27, 2017


Someone contact BeachGrit, there’s a Blood Feud! David vs Scott! Kidding . . . kinda . . but not really. The tension boils over in today’s episode and Scott fires first! Then the boys chat about Surf News, the non-interference at Bells, protecting Hawaii’s lifeguards from frivolous lawsuits, an eye-opening/watering Kelly podcast (not ours!), Dukes and Kooks and much, much more! Enjoy the show! And please send thoughts to David at and Scott at


Link here to secure tickets

Island Earth Trailer from on Vimeo.


Scott’s Call To Action worked!


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Alex Gray gets reimbursed $3,500 from American Airlines!


Jordy takes down Caio for the win.

Frederico will not be ignored.

JJF’s Alley Oop

Glendyn Ringrose’s Heartwarming and Hard-Fought Story


Glynden Ringrose

The Non-Interference

Zeke gets an interference, then it gets reversed. Everything, seemingly, is right in the world, except for the fact that apparently the judges have a different, inferior feed than we do? Weird, right?




Or listen right here:


Matt Meola’s mind-bending, game-changing surf edit, “Numb”. Everyone talks about the airs, but it’s not just airs, the turns (check the one at the 3:00 mark), and the “Clay-backs” are all insane. And let’s not forget that the dude charges Jaws. MUST SEE!


The rescue team that saved Russell Bierke, amongst ’em, Kelly Slater, Tom Carroll, Ross-Clarke Jones, Ryan Hipwood, and Ben Serrano. LINK HERE FOR THE FULL STORY ON COASTAL WATCH

Click “play” below to watch Russell in all his glory.

Bezerke from O’Neill on Vimeo.


The state lawmakers, chaired by Scott Nishimoto, who aim eliminate protection to Hawaii state lifeguards from frivolous lawsuits.

RepostBy @sunnygarcia: “HELP PROTECT OUR LIFEGUARDS A group of personal injury lawyers and lawmakers are misleading the public and some legislators in an effort to make money off of Hawaii’s tax payers from frivolous lawsuits against lifeguards. Each day, the men and women of Ocean Safety lay their lives on the line to save complete strangers no matter the conditions, the risk involved, or the level of danger. These are the faces of just some of the lifeguards around the state of Hawaii that risk their lives each day to protect you. Please call or email Scott Nishimoto 808-586-8515, Joy San Buenaventura 808-586-6530, Sylvia Luke 808-586-6200, Jill Tokuda 808-587-7215 to urge them to support Senate Bill 562 SD1 in support of limited liability protection for Hawaii’s Ocean Safety Lifeguards and to end the sunset clause to make this permanent. For more information, please click the link in the bio and to share awareness, repost the image above and #PROTECTHAWAIILIFEGUARDS” (via #InstaRepost @AppsKottage)

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160 – Cyrus Sutton: Island Earth


In today’s episode David chats with professional surfer turned filmmaker Cyrus Sutton about his new film “Island Earth”. The film takes a candid look at the agricultural industry in Hawaii and  follows a young scientist’s struggle for truth between science and tradition as he enters an industry that many feel is threatening his homeland. Cyrus shares lessons from the film and how world travel and a decade of living in a van has positioned him to venture into filmmaking outside the world of surfing.

Attend Our Screening of “Island Earth” CLICK HERE

Find all screenings at

A BIG BACKYARD A Big Backyard from on Vimeo.


UNDER THE SUN Under the Sun Trailer from on Vimeo.

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159 – Surf News, April 12, 2017


In today’s episode, David and Scott catch up on JJF’s blistering performance in WA, the budgetary cuts for the WSL, the private job description for the WSL’s CEO position, a potential 2nd Fukishima-level radioactive waste dump, Dukes and Kooks, and much more. Enjoy!


JJF’s Blistering Performance

JJF’s Freesurf Domination

JJF’s Wipeout


Mike Parson’s takes over as the comish Mike Parsons Francisco Porcella’s Sleigh Ride at Mavs Ride of the Year Entries





Mikala Jones’s covershot on The Surfer’s Journal

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We somehow overlooked this segment, but I have one! I’ll deliver it asap.


Huntington Beach for being the epicenter of rioting. This time it was at a Pro Trump Rally. Click to read the full article.

A pro-Trump marcher, center, and an anti-Trump protester clash as the two sides come together in Huntington Beach, CA on Saturday, March 25, 2017. (Photo by Mindy Schauer, Orange County Register/SCNG)

A pro-Trump marcher, center, and an anti-Trump protester clash as the two sides come together in Huntington Beach, CA on Saturday, March 25, 2017. (Photo by Mindy Schauer, Orange County Register/SCNG)

in Huntington Beach, CA on Saturday, March 25, 2017. (Photo by Mindy Schauer, Orange County Register/SCNG)

in Huntington Beach, CA on Saturday, March 25, 2017. (Photo by Mindy Schauer, Orange County Register/SCNG)

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158 – A Couple Things . . .


Lately there has been a batch of things that never make it into the podcast; film reviews, listeners comments, corrections from previous episodes, so today’s bonus episode is meant to set those records straight. Hope you enjoy this new, experimental format. Keep the feedback coming.




Jimmicane says “Hire Ex Pros”. We agree! David suggests keeping the judges in a soundproof booth, where they can’t hear the scores that surfers require.

Link to “A Simple Solution to Judging”


More impressively, I remember reading/hearing that Jimmy used to shoot photos of Emily Ratajkowsi (@emrata) back when she first began modeling swimwear in Florida. Do you still have her digits Jimmicane???!!

Swimsuit 2015: Hawaii Emily Ratajkowski NA/NA, Kauai, Hawii 4/26/2014 X158020 TK2 Credit: Yu Tsai Swimsuit by: Lybethras

Swimsuit 2015: Hawaii
Emily Ratajkowski
NA/NA, Kauai, Hawii
X158020 TK2
Credit: Yu Tsai
Swimsuit by: Lybethras


A better use of your time would be to watch Julian’s “Wayward”


Get your team locked in for Margaret River on

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And make sure to check out

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And Pete is absolutely still ripping!

The Executioner from Kyle Buthman on Vimeo.

157 – Quiksilver Pro Analysis


In today’s episode David and Scott analyze the spectacular event that was the 2017 Quiksilver Pro. The Slater vs Medina non-interference, the judges love of non-risky backside snaps, and the greatest comeback story in surfing history. We hope you enjoy the show.


Ross is gone (to coach JJF).

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Kaipo is in.

@kellyslater keeping @kaipoguerrero cool ?

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The desk is gone, replaced by the sofa and more casual, opinionated analysis.


Gabriel, unquestionably, mashed down Kelly’s exit on a potential 10 point ride. Do you think it should have been deemed an interference?

Did Gabriel deserve the score on his final wave and was Kelly’s underscored?





Both finalists, Owen Wright and Matt Wilkinson are coached by Glen Hall.



Click over to to see how to join our fantasy surf club.

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Lakey Peterson for her overshadowed, yet nonetheless incredible comeback story.


Ronnie Blakey for constantly provoking Pete Mel in the commentary booth. Throughout the entire event Ronnie seemed to be jabbing Pete and it also seemed to keep Pete off kilter. Kinda odd. They are both usually super nice guys.


Corey Wilson’s incredible capture of Owen Wright celebrating his win with his girlfriend Kita Alexander and their newborn child.

@owright so incredibly proud of you. Been through hell and back and now you are on top of the world.

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